G'day from Sunny Yeppoon

[linkupoz]

Hi Everyone,

Just-In from yeppoon. Just saying g'day and its nice to see a forum with some aussies in it.

I am an affiliate marketer but I also have my Own product that i sell online. (Hush prepaid adult cards).

Don't Panic I won't Link to em here.
I am the only one doing that product online so it is great.
We also sell offline.

I run linkupoz.com as a bit of Fun and so I've got something to show the Elderly Relatives when they say show us your website thingy Justin. (Keeps the pulse rates down)

Take care all I hope to get some good tips here and maybe hand out a couple as well

Thanks

[bcl]

Originally Posted by Crow

Hey Justin,

I would have thought for anyone concerned at depravity, child sexual abuse or paedophilia hush prepaid adult cards would be a no go. Are you not ethically concerned about the way you make money or are you just very ignorant?

Crow

Regardless of your opinion on porn, I think you are being inaccurate to conflate adult porn with child sexual abuse and paedophilia. It is the same misrepresentation that the proponents of internet censorship make. People who are into the illegal stuff don't need these cards. If you object to adult porn, that's fine - just say that, and your argument will be stronger.

We all draw our own lines on what we will promote. I won't promote gambling, pay day loans, get rich schemes and a lot of other things - that doesn't mean that people who do promote them are not ethically concerned about the way they make their money or ignorant.

[bcl]

Originally Posted by Crow

BCL,
You have made the assumption I have a problem with porn. I dont.

Only based on the language you used in your post.

Originally Posted by Crow

What I am opposed to is sexual abuse in any form. The hush cards are designed for a few purposes. One part is just the right to a little privacy which is fine. The rest of the parts concern the ability to look at sites concerning the sex trade where young adults and children have gone through an abusive life and either directily sell themselves or are sold into the sex slave trade. The point in general for the hush cards is that people can pay into that whole trade anonymously.

Anything that is to do with sexual abuse of young adults and children is illegal. I doubt the people who look at that stuff would bother with the risk of buying and using hush cards. I would think the main aim of hush cards is that you don't have to hand your credit card details to the porn sites.

Originally Posted by Crow

I am rather surprised you have no understanding of this for if you did you wouldnt jump at my comment so quickly.

Perhaps I have more understanding of both the social and technical issues than you think. I have followed the censorship arguments very closely as well. That is why I "jump" on any attempts to conflate porn and abuse. There are many types of porn, there are many types of child abuse, sometimes they cross over, sometimes they don't. I think you'll find that many of those into sexual abuse of children, are not into adult porn.

Originally Posted by Crow

When a person pays to see or touch anything or anyone involved in the wider sex trade they feed into the elements of sexual abuse. This is the trade - that is the problem. As for looking at bodies, having much consented sex with an adult or just fantasising - I have no problem.
Crow

Well, that is making some assumptions that may or may not be true. You're jumping from legal porn to sex trade to sexual abuse. If that is your case, then you need to make it more clearly.

[bcl]

Originally Posted by Crow

BCL

Where did you get the idea that people into abuse of young adults and children wouldnt bother with the risk of buying and using hush cards?

Because they have well established networks with controlled gatekeeping to avoid detection and the resources that have been wasted in investigating an internet filter would be much better spent with the professional investigation and enforcement bodies. Why would someone trying to access illegal material buy a hush card when they either have to give a credit card or a postal address to an Australian company or risk being seen buying one for cash?

Originally Posted by Crow

Where did you get that the main aim of hush cards is that you dont have to hand your credit card details to the porn sites? An internet search perhaps? The very main point is anonymity isnt it? After this there are various positives for the person buying the card. I would think the main positive is that other people cant know what they've been looking at. Now if someone feels they are fine and above board then why do they need anonymity?

I look at websites and web businesses all the time to work out their target markets and their USPs etc. What are they selling, who would buy it and why? I expect that all the affiliates on this board do the same.

Originally Posted by Crow

Sometimes I think you just argue if you think the person making the post is not in your camp. That is if anyone has agreed with Newbie you decide that their posts must be something you need to attack. Note by the way I have agreed with you and Newbie and Im not in anyones camp if that helps.

There are no camps. If you think that the disagreements with Jim are about camps, you need to learn a bit more about the technical nature of the business you are in - and look at the rhetorical tactics that are used to try to stop information being made public.

And if I disagree with anything on the board, it is because I disagree with the statement put forward. Who has said it is irrelevant.

Originally Posted by Crow

How do you not understand the relationship of money in the sex trade be it legal or not legal to sexual and human rights abuses?

Well I'm not sure what you mean by sex trade. If you mean forced sex trade and sex trade of minors, that is all illegal. Or do you include regular prostitution as sex trade? ie trading sex for money.

And porn - free porn is ok but paid porn is exploitation and abuse?

I understand the relationships all right, but understand that it is not clearcut when it comes to what adults do with their lives. You are talking about really big and complex philosophical issues.

Originally Posted by Crow

BCL I have learnt with you there is no point in making a good point, if you think you must have to be against it - you will. I have made the points that anyone reading without prejudice can understand. I wont go around in circles with you.
Crow

There is every point in making a good point with me. But when I make a point, I am happy to back it up, re-examine and tease out the finer points.

If you think that I am too pedantic, the debates and discussions about ethics in business, in what programs to promote, in how to promote them, in what benefits affiliates need to offer and what benefits they can expect, as well as the future and quality of the media, occur as part of the day-to-day talk in our office. Maybe that's why I seem to have a ready answer to many things, because they are discussions and debates that we've been having for years.

[newbie]

Originally Posted by bcl

There are no camps. If you think that the disagreements with Jim are about camps, you need to learn a bit more about the technical nature of the business you are in - and look at the rhetorical tactics that are used to try to stop information being made public.

"Tactics", now that is a classic.

Of course, starting yet another argument in this thread is a good tactic to divert attention from the unanswered questions in other thread.

"Stop information being made public" - I am not sure but I think that was probably the most cynically-stated pot-kettle-black thing I have ever seen, (ever).

It is a tragic comedy. One person constantly travels the length and breadth of the country with whispering campaigns that would not withstand public scrutiny while the rest of the affiliate community is content to let their results speak for themselves.

And for what? The scalps of a few gormless and gullible lowest-order merchants hardly seem worth selling your soul for.

[newbie]

Originally Posted by Crow

I think everyone here is aware or they should be that you are someone who thinks on the ethics of what you do, and BCL is an ethical marketer.

Dang.

You had me until that last bit. =))

[Marlnet]

This seems to be one heck of a thread on a variety of the type of prepaid card that you can buy for cash in some newsagents...

Can't say I have an issue with it - the sexual abusers and exploiters that infest our populace operate in a far more sophisticated operational arena than one that revolves around a simple prepaid card system.

I'd think they're more attractive because you can access your favourite 'sexy amateur giraffes' porno site without thinking that if you suddenly become aware of your disturbing fetish, you won't be having your credit card hammered month after month despite cancelling your subscription; nor having to explain it to the missus who altogether prefers the 'inflatable hunk heaven' site...

Maybe I've said too much...

[linkupoz]

After all this I am Posting My Website address.

Take a look and Judge for yourself If I am sick or depraved.

I just wanted to say Hi,I sell hush card as a vehicle to make money, Not to prop up my habit.
I have 2 Kids and Child abuse makes me sick, The Hush card provide access to a content site that is built by one of the LARGEST LEGAL, I repeat LEGAL makers of adult content iin the world.
The Hush card provides private Access to Content. Not to hide from the LAW but to preserve ones privacy.
It also allows you to view by section so that you don't accidently see something you didn't want to. You access at a level your comfortable with.

I made my decision to promote this product because it provides a safe alternative for the MILLIONS of Australians who wish to access LEGAL content for their own use. I saw an Open Niche I provide the service to fill it.
I don't even buy FHM magazine for god's sake.
prepaidadult.com.au and you make a decision.

I'm a bit pissed I'm forced into this position in the Introduce yourself forum.

If you sell Cat collars, I don't Hijack your thread because I hate CATS and disagree with the way they kill native wildlife.

Anyway going to watch the cricket.
I didn't expect this!

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[Tim]

Originally Posted by linkupoz

After all this I am Posting My Website address.

Take a look and Judge for yourself If I am sick or depraved.

I just wanted to say Hi,I sell hush card as a vehicle to make money, Not to prop up my habit.
I have 2 Kids and Child abuse makes me sick, The Hush card provide access to a content site that is built by one of the LARGEST LEGAL, I repeat LEGAL makers of adult content iin the world.
The Hush card provides private Access to Content. Not to hide from the LAW but to preserve ones privacy.
It also allows you to view by section so that you don't accidently see something you didn't want to. You access at a level your comfortable with.

I made my decision to promote this product because it provides a safe alternative for the MILLIONS of Australians who wish to access LEGAL content for their own use. I saw an Open Niche I provide the service to fill it.
I don't even buy FHM magazine for god's sake.
prepaidadult.com.au and you make a decision.

I'm a bit pissed I'm forced into this position in the Introduce yourself forum.

If you sell Cat collars, I don't Hijack your thread because I hate CATS and disagree with the way they kill native wildlife.

Anyway going to watch the cricket.
I didn't expect this!

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Welcome Justin - i should have split this thread a while ago... but missed it - anyway I'd be going to watch thecricket too - anything to beat the Engrish - I'm originally from Scotland so atleat we all want Engerland to lose!

[bcl]

Originally Posted by newbie

"Tactics", now that is a classic.

Of course, starting yet another argument in this thread is a good tactic to divert attention from the unanswered questions in other thread.

What unanswered questions would they be?

Originally Posted by newbie

And for what? The scalps of a few gormless and gullible lowest-order merchants hardly seem worth selling your soul for.

I am sure that merchants who object to brandbidders etc would appreciate your evaluation of them.

[HarveyJ]

Hey Justin,

Ignore Crow... he likes to be contrary (get out of that one!)

I've done some work pro bono work for the Eros Foundation, and I think Crow's flying off the deep end on this one.

Either way, nice to see someone else that deals in adult stuff.

[linkupoz]

Thankyou for the suppport, I appreciate your objections as well.

Simply do not buy my product that is fine.

Crow, Thanks for keeping it at the top, I have a gift for you but I only sell porn, where should I send it? $25 value. It's the least i could do mate. My business is privacy so you are safe with me.

Do you think if Scotland and Australia teamed up we could Invade England? Even if it was Just to put a big fence around it.

Take care This will be my last comment on this debate, I suspect it will bite me in the arse at some stage.
Please as a personal FAVOUR DON"T RAG ON ME EVERY TIME I post

cheers

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