Google's Gudelines Is All You Need To Know About Back Links

[Armand]

Firstly, Read Google's Guidelines Here

This is to prove that everything Jim, (Newbie), has been saying about back links is in total contradiction to what Google says about the importance of links pointing to your site.

All along, he has been telling the inexperienced members in this forum that back links are not important and that all is required is a website and good content. Totally opposite to what Google says about the importance of links pointing to your site.

Think about it, he has thousands of under-construction websites, some dating back quite a few years without any content and all with links pointing to his main website. It does not take a scientist to work that one out. I would call it "Manipulation, Spamming"

So Dear Forum Members, who do you believe, Google or Jim?

[mrshb]

I honestly don't give a rats patootie !

I'm sick of the rubbish in this forum - I'm new to the affiliate game and I take everything I read with a grain of salt, I'm not some useless half-wit that is easily led astray.
I certainly don't need you OP trying to protect me from any big bad wolves, I'm intelligent enough to figure out what works for me and go with that.
What works for Newbie, works for Newbie - doesn't make it right or wrong - just makes it an opinion.

Now, I have no problem with you sharing your opinion, but I'm am sick to death of post after post on this forum trying to discredit the thoughts and ideas of others. No wonder everyone is too scared to bloody post.

Stop wasting your time with these retaliatory posts, you do not have to defend yourself, and with each post and response you're only making yourself look foolish, so move on.

[Eurisko]

Originally Posted by mrshb

Now, I have no problem with you sharing your opinion, but I'm am sick to death of post after post on this forum trying to discredit the thoughts and ideas of others. No wonder everyone is too scared to bloody post.

Stop wasting your time with these retaliatory posts, you do not have to defend yourself, and with each post and response you're only making yourself look foolish, so move on.

Not a truer word has been spoken on this forum. When I first read this post I thought to myself "this sh*t fight is going to be good.", which on reflection is sad really. I had no intention of posting until I read mrshb's post. There is a real sh*t fight going on on this forum, post after post, and I think preventing other people from posting and sharing their thoughts and ideas.

I've been around the AU affiliate network for long enough to know that:

1) Yes you can turn it into a full time job, maybe not overnight but.....;
2) Search Engines Optimisation is all THEORY! What works today might not necessarily work tomorrow - does anyone remember the florida update LOL? Besiddes there is more than one way to skin a cat (and by skin I mean drive and by cat I mean traffic);
3) The Australian affiliate market is very; very; very; small and by my calculations there are only 5-7 really big fish who make tons of cash each and every month and then hundreds of small fish who would like to become like these big fish;
4) Affiliate marketing in Australia can only get bigger, so get in there now!!! If there are any would-be-affiliates out there who are looking to turn this thing into a full time job, I say good on you. Keep posting your questions, keep bouncing around your ideas. It's never too late to start, but if you leave it until tomorrow then you'll be one day behind where you could have been if you started today.

Don't get distracted by the knock backs and sh*t fights.

MIKE

[Armand]

The purpose of a forum is to educate individuals the right and proper way and not to give them "false hope" and "false ideas and strategies."

It's like any business, you either fail by getting the wrong advice or you succeed by getting the right advice.

Individuals become members of a forum to get educated and not led astray in the wrong direction only to be disillusioned and disappointed by fiction and not facts.

The sole purpose I posted this new thread, is to put an end to this topic and ongoing "Bickering" which has been going on for months and "Initiated" by one individual.

The fact is, if you are in the sector of online businesses and set-out a plan contrary to what "Google's Guidelines" or any other search engine dictate and get caught out you will penalised severely.

The important thing to consider here, "Is That You Practice What You Preach" and adhere to the guidelines.

Re: mrshb, i.e. Newbie or Jim, if you are led astray by what you claim works for Newbie, then you would be quite foolish considering his views contradict Google's guidelines, as has been proven.

Re: Eurisko, SEO is not theory but a simple formula of optimizing your pages to conform to the search engine guidelines i.e. good website design, good relevant content, titles and keywords and high quality back links from authority sites. That is good SEO, "nothing more, nothing less."

BTW, "The truth hurts when the lies have been exposed"

This will be my last post on this subject... This article makes for some great reading The Google Monster

[Moldydish]

Originally Posted by mrshb

I honestly don't give a rats patootie !

I'm sick of the rubbish in this forum - I'm new to the affiliate game and I take everything I read with a grain of salt, I'm not some useless half-wit that is easily led astray.
I certainly don't need you OP trying to protect me from any big bad wolves, I'm intelligent enough to figure out what works for me and go with that.
What works for Newbie, works for Newbie - doesn't make it right or wrong - just makes it an opinion.

Now, I have no problem with you sharing your opinion, but I'm am sick to death of post after post on this forum trying to discredit the thoughts and ideas of others. No wonder everyone is too scared to bloody post.

Stop wasting your time with these retaliatory posts, you do not have to defend yourself, and with each post and response you're only making yourself look foolish, so move on.

mrshp

You have said you are sick of people trying to discredit the thoughts and ideas of others. Most of us are the same. Did you know though that much of what is being discussed at the moment is a sort of vent from victoms of Newbies constant attacks on anyones thoughts or posts (unless he is grooming them as an ally)?

Perhaps you didnt know the background. Still as you say we should allow people to speak, not stop them because it doesnt serve our political puposes or our beliefs.

Jen

PS I appreciate you dont require Armands advice but I have found his advice to be very useful. Every now and then Newbie also offers clearly good advice, which I also appreciate. I am sure he could offer much more but usually I experience his wrath rather than his wisdom.

[Marlnet]

Originally Posted by Armand

So Dear Forum Members, who do you believe, Google or Jim?

Neither.

Lord knows I've crossed swords with Jim many a time, and disagree with with his posts more times than I care to reply - but c'mon, a group assault on this and other threads because you're unable to carry out the coup alone - if anyone on this forum had just a tenth of the intelligence and internet know-how that they like to think they have, they wouldn't be here...

Does anyone here honestly think Google are going to share commercially critical information with the wider public?

In the last three months I launched two websites that are identical search term matches - one is already ranked at #3 on Google, the other can't be found (despite having debut on page 1 initially)... Oh geez, if only I knew about backlinks (of which I have none)...

Hello people? Reality check - you know bugger all...

[snooks]

Im rather enjoying the posts and ok...sometimes some comments are a bit over the top or hurtful, but i dont think a vigorous debate can do anything other than open peoples eyes to what other people are thinking.

You may not agree, you may feel that "you have the facts", but even in print, are we even sure that Matt Cults (is that his name) tells us the exact truth?

He sort of reminds me of going to a fortune teller,you get very vague and general "readings", by which YOU have to interpret and read things into things

As long as we all dont get too personal, please keep going because im actually learning a bloody lot from all of this And thats from BOTH sides of the debate.

Regards

[Armand]

Hey Marlnet, it's quite funny you mention that because the person in question always uses references pointing at Google Trends and Matt Cutt posts and videos.

Do you really think Google would lose it's own credibility by saying otherwise? Sure they won't tell you everything, but they certainly would not lie about things either.

Matt Cutts is Google's front man, and it's in their best interest to inform people the right information to ensure only high quality websites are being published. By doing this they weed out all the rubbish.

In regards to your website that can't be found, follow the guidelines and you might find it again. Just be careful the other one can't be found somewhere down the track also. It's about "Longevity"

[Marlnet]

Originally Posted by Armand

Hey Marlnet, it's quite funny you mention that because the person in question always uses references pointing at Google Trends and Matt Cutt posts and videos.

Do you really think Google would lose it's own credibility by saying otherwise? Sure they won't tell you everything, but they certainly would not lie about things either.

Matt Cutts is Google's front man, and it's in their best interest to inform people the right information to ensure only high quality websites are being published. By doing this they weed out all the rubbish.

As a very wise man once said (me), in an incredibly sophisticated piece (my still nowhere near complete first novel); "There's a thin line between fact and fiction, and they're not always at odds with each other despite what you may think..."

[snooks]

Do you really think Google would lose it's own credibility by saying otherwise? Sure they won't tell you everything, but they certainly would not lie about things either.

Armand, just to confirm what i meant, i dont think Google would lie, just not fully disclose. What i actually meant by the truth, was that what you end up believing, how you ending up interpreting what he is saying.....that may not be the truth (if that makes sense).

I just wish they would state it in pure english and cold hard facts.

1. Do this.
2. Do not do "x".

Then we would all know the rules.

[Armand]

No problem Snooks, I got your point!

I think it's probably good they don't disclose everything, this way it keeps everyone "On Their Toes" by trying to out-do each other by publishing good websites.

BTW, your back link strategies are good way to get some traffic. Just be careful not to post too many in one go, better to do only a few at a time to avoid spamming.

[Moldydish]

Originally Posted by Marlnet

Neither.

Lord knows I've crossed swords with Jim many a time, and disagree with with his posts more times than I care to reply - but c'mon, a group assault on this and other threads because you're unable to carry out the coup alone - if anyone on this forum had just a tenth of the intelligence and internet know-how that they like to think they have, they wouldn't be here...

Does anyone here honestly think Google are going to share commercially critical information with the wider public?

In the last three months I launched two websites that are identical search term matches - one is already ranked at #3 on Google, the other can't be found (despite having debut on page 1 initially)... Oh geez, if only I knew about backlinks (of which I have none)...

Hello people? Reality check - you know bugger all...

1. I agree - I think a group assault on anyone is cowardly even if it temporarily opens a door for more people to speak.

2. I had wondered whether Google would just share commercially critical information too. Still the link from Armand is worth knowing about and thinking over

Originally Posted by Marlnet

As a very wise man once said (me), in an incredibly sophisticated piece (my still nowhere near complete first novel); "There's a thin line between fact and fiction, and they're not always at odds with each other despite what you may think..."

Illusion gives birth to fact and fact is no more than a player within a great novel. Some are born more able to sense the veil. They know they are good at seeing through or looking in but spend their life ignoring the greater use of their talent. Those people would benefit most if they woudl study metaphysics - and the bridge of illusion and reality would be more greatly understood.

Jen

[HarveyJ]

I believe the level of conversational progression can accurately be represented by the following graph:



Armand: If you want to moan about user X doing this and user Y saying that... head to DP. They love Drama Llamas there.
It's clear that Newbie has a particular ideological sharp metal object to grind for whatever reason, as do you... It's only made duller by people going against the grain.

[Armand]

Originally Posted by HarveyJ

I believe the level of conversational progression can accurately be represented by the following graph:



Armand: If you want to moan about user X doing this and user Y saying that... head to DP. They love Drama Llamas there.
It's clear that Newbie has a particular ideological sharp metal object to grind for whatever reason, as do you... It's only made duller by people going against the grain.

Nice Graph Harvey J,

Obviously you have not been looking at the posts over the last few months, if you did you would know the facts.

It's seems that the only one's who continue to go against the grain, are the one's who do not like to face the truth.

I can see you mention in your recent post you don't mind tricks too, remember "Honesty is the Best Policy".

[newbie]

Originally Posted by Armand

Nice Graph Harvey J,

Obviously you have not been looking at the posts over the last few months, if you did you would know the facts.

It's seems that the only one's who continue to go against the grain, are the one's who do not like to face the truth.

I can see you mention in your recent post you don't mind tricks too, remember "Honesty is the Best Policy".

Armand, are you an affiliate for any programs that promote backlinking?